Saturday 14 December 2013

Understanding modern racism in Poland

Okay before I begin, I want to categorically state that as a tourist, I experienced no racism whatsoever in Poland whilst I was there and the locals couldn't have been more friendly and helpful to me. However, the touchy issue of racism was something that Poland has a bad reputation for - black and South Asian (by which I mean the Indian sub-continent) visitors who have darker complexions have complained about racist discrimination in Poland during the Euro 2012 football championships. Perhaps it is because my complexion is rather fair and that I spoke some Polish, I was not subjected to any racism at all - but I feel this is something I still want to talk about.

Let's begin one evening in my apartment in the Nowolipie area of Warsaw. I had access to loads of TV channels. So one cold night, I was just being a couch potato, surfing through loads of Polish TV stations and I stopped at one channel which made me sit up and say, seriously, WTF?! This is so ridiculously racist!
It was a comedy programme where the Polish comedians were performing skits - now I speak a little Polish (well my Russian is a lot better than my Polish but I can understand a lot more than I can speak) but it was not the language per se that offended me, it was the portrayal of the characters. These were white Polish comedians who were doing "yellow face" to portray Chinese characters on TV. The "yellow face" involved the comedians putting on a black wig, using stick tape on the corner of their eyes to create the 'slit eye' effect, dressing up as Chinese monks and covering their faces and arms with a yellow paint. And I'm talking Homer Simpson bright yellow, not just a bad tan job. Now I am Chinese (mostly anyway, though I'm mixed), my facial features may be distinctly non-European but my complexion is actually rather fair and not that different from say most Southern Europeans. Nobody looks that yellow - not unless they fell into a pool of yellow paint. I could hardly believe what I was seeing.

This skit involved a group of "yellow face" Polish comedians portraying Chinese monks (supposedly in China) in a Chinese temple. The skit was all in Polish of course, their portrayal of Chinese culture was just painful to say the least to watch. Such a skit would never ever see the light of day in the UK or America for it would be so racially offensive on so many levels. I watched in disbelief and thought, do you Polish people actually think that this is funny and suitable material for prime time television? Are you not mortally offended by this? Can you not recognize racism for what it is? Apparently not. How do they get away with such blatant racism on Polish TV in this day and age?
Homer Simpson is yellow, I may be Chinese but I am not 'yellow'. 

What did I do next? I merely changed the channel after watching it for a few minutes. I didn't think I wanted to take on that fight - I was on holiday, I had not watched the programme from the beginning and even if I wanted to complain - I didn't know whom to complain to and if they would accept a complaint in English (my Polish is limited) or from someone who didn't reside in Poland. Besides, I don't live in Poland, it was my first time in Poland - it was just too easy to walk away from the programme as I don't live in Poland. There was a part of me that was cynical - even if I did make an official complaint, I really doubt anything would be done and in any case, the damage has been done already.

In any case, having worked in TV, I know how much production is involved when creating a TV programme and so many people: directors, producers, script advisors, actors, production managers etc would have seen the script of that skit and if nobody said, "oh we can't do that, it is offensive and come across as racist." This is not some radio DJ shocking everyone by coming up with a racist comment out of the blue - this was a scripted and edited TV programme that took a lot of time and money to produce before it could be aired on prime time TV in Poland.
Yes I have worked in TV in the UK.

Nonetheless, what I saw disturbed me because it didn't sit well with everything else I saw in Warsaw. I spent a lot of time visiting the various memorials commemorating the Jewish Ghetto where over 400,000 Jews were imprisoned by the Nazis between 1940 and 1943 - practically all of the 400,000 Jews in there were either transported to extermination camps like Auschwitz and killed there, or they simply died of illness and starvation in the Jewish Ghetto itself. Further antisemitism in the 1960s and 1970s drove any remaining Jews out of Poland and today, only about a thousand Jews live in Warsaw. (In 1939, there were about 400,000 Jews in Warsaw).

Modern Poland is very keen to portray itself as a compassionate and tolerant country - all these memorials blamed the horrible Nazis and Germans for the Holocaust. When I challenged my guide on my walking tour about the blatant antisemitism in Poland in the 1960s and 1970s (and even today), he explained, "this was because of the brainwashing and political situation during the communist era. You see, during the Six Day War in 1967, America gave Israel a lot of support. America was the enemy of the Soviet Union then, so by default, the Eastern bloc countries aligned themselves with the Arab nations so that turned Israel into the enemy. The Soviets are to be blamed for the antisemitism as a result of this political alignment - the Russians were the ones who brainwashed us into being antisemitic, Polish people are not like that, we're not antisemitic. We suffered under the Soviets during the communist years because the Soviets controlled everything that was taught in Polish schools in those years - so whilst I agree with you that antisemitism is terrible, you have to understand the context of what happened and how it happened in those communist years. But please, Poland is different today, we are a modern, progressive EU country today."
I also dug deeper, did more research, spoke to many people and found out more about Poland and why racist attitudes can still exist there. A key factor is that Poland is homogeneous - 94% of the population is Polish and even the 'ethnic minorities' are mostly other white Europeans like Ukrainians, Russians, Czechs, Slovaks, Armenians, Belorussians and Lithuanians. Most of these white minorities are very much assimilated in Poland anyway and hold Polish nationality. As for black and Asian people, they exist in such tiny numbers in Poland that they are not visible to most Polish people, particularly those outside big cities. Practically everyone in Poland is white.

There are at best a few hundred black people living in Poland currently and the biggest non-white minority in Poland are the Vietnamese (there are loads of great Vietnamese restaurants in Warsaw). There may be some Chinese people residing in Poland (there are about 5,000 in neighbouring Czech Republic, here's my story of when I was working in Prague and my encounter with them) but I failed to get hold of reliable statistics beyond estimates of a few hundreds.
That's me in a street in downtown Warsaw

It is not like Polish people would stare at black or Asian people in the streets - no, it is 2013 and Polish people watch plenty of (badly dubbed) American TV programmes and are used to seeing black and Asian people on TV all the time, but this is a country where you simply don't see black or Asian people around. (I experience the same this in Croatia.) The only black and Asian people I saw were other tourists at the tourist attractions and they do stand out in a sea of white faces. This is a far cry from cities like New York, London and Paris where there are plenty of black and Asian people everywhere. So if there are virtually no black and Asian people to offend in Poland (and let's face it, most black and Asian tourists would not be watching a Polish-language comedy programme - they would be watching CNN or BBC in their hotel rooms), then perhaps the producers at the TV station knew that this racist comedy skit was not for an international audience, but pretty much a white-only local Polish audience.

Does this in any way excuse the kind of racism employed in this programme? This then that begs the question - even if you are Polish and white, surely you would still be offended by this racist portrayal of Chinese? Do you have to be Chinese to be offended by anti-Chinese racism? Here's the thing about comedy: the audience has to find the joke funny, otherwise it simply will not work. So if the Polish public would not have found such a racist skit funny, then the comedians would not have performed such a skit in the first place. You can't just say that this is the work of one or two racist comedians without acknowledging the kind of relationship a comedian has with his audience. Thus you can tell a lot about a culture by the kind of comedy that is popular there.
Comedy can tell you a lot about a country's culture.

You cannot divorce any of the issues: racism, sexism, homophobia - any kind of bigotry. These all go hand in hand - either you give in to bigotry as a society or you take a stand against it and say loud and clear: no, bigotry is not acceptable in our society.Thus it is no surprise that Poland is also quite a homophobic country and quite openly so in fact. Poland may have the trappings of a modern EU country: you can walk around the glitzy Zlote Terasy mall in Warsaw and feel like you're capitalist retail paradise, but you only have to scratch beneath the surface and see just how much needs to be done to tackle bigotry in Polish society.

A society is truly progressive when you get to the point where people will take a stand and say no to any kind of bigotry because it is morally wrong, rather than because they are personally offended or affected by it. I want to live in a society where men will say no to sexism, where straight people will say no to homophobia, where the ethnic majority will say no to racism, where everyone simply agrees that any kind of discrimination on the basis of bigotry is not acceptable and there should be legislation to enshrine this in the law of the land.
It was very cold in Warsaw when I was there.

What happened next really disappointed me - it was not like I was driven by anger or offence, I was just so keen to find out just WHY Poland is racist despite her history. I further discussed this with more Polish people (both in Poland and back in London) and I encountered a wall of denial. Here's the irony, every single person I spoke to made the following points to me (at least we're off to a good start here):

1. Racism is bad, it has no place in Polish society.
2. Poland is a modern, progressive EU country today and is not racist.
3. Sure there may be a very small number of racists in Poland but they are in the minority and the vast majority of Polish people abhor racism, racism is not a part of Polish culture.

They went further and made the following points in a variety of ways:

4. I don't speak enough Polish to have understood the programme, so I couldn't have understood it properly and thus I couldn't jump to the conclusion that it was racist.
5. I didn't watch the entire programme from beginning to end, I had only watched a few minutes of it - so I could have taken that scene out of context.
6. The programme could have been in praise of Asian culture or a representation of Polish people exploring Asian culture rather than mocking it. (Yeah right, now that's complete bullshit, who are you trying to kid?)
7. I do not understand Polish comedy and Polish culture - so there is an element of 'lost in translation'.
8. A Polish radio DJ made a racist comment live on air earlier this year and he was punished for it immediately - he was removed from his job, so if that can happen, how can anything racist possibly appear on TV?
9. British, American, German (etc) people always look down on Polish people and assume the worst of Poland, so when they see something ambiguous or something they don't understand, they simply jump to the worst possible conclusion. That is a form of anti-Polish racism on my part, as a British person.
10. Other less modern non-EU Eastern European countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia and Russia may be more racist, but that is not to be confused with Poland - do not treat all Eastern European countries like a monolithic entity.
That's me in Warsaw by the Palace of Culture & Science.

There was one common theme - none of them would even acknowledge that this programme could have possibly been racist or offensive. They all dismissed it as a "cultural misunderstanding" at best and if I knew more about Polish culture and the rich traditions of Polish comedy, so I could appreciate their culture better. Of course, they were all extremely polite without being apologetic - yes you can be polite without acknowledging a problem or accepting any blame. One of them in particular was more than happy to indulge me in this discussion - he was a well-educated young man who spoke English fluently. It was both enlightening and frustrating talking to him: he gave me an insight into how the modern Polish mind deals with this issue but it was also frustrating because he simply insisted that I was the one who misunderstood what I had seen ("modern Polish media today couldn't possibly be openly racist like that").

He did offer a lot of useful insight though, "back in the communist era, there was no freedom of speech. Any kind of entertainment was strictly controlled by the state and subject to a lot of censorship. Then came the fall of the Berlin Wall and the arrival of democracy and suddenly, we had freedom of speech - just like that. People could say what they want, express political opinions, criticize the government - it was wonderful. Many Polish comedians then looked at comedy that came from places like America and the UK and copied a lot of the formats used in English language entertainment and adapted it for the Polish audience. So sure, sometimes they go too far and make jokes that are offensive, but this happens as well in the UK with controversial comedians like Frankie Boyle getting into trouble for his un-PC jokes. Yes, so sometimes, comedians can get it wrong when they cross the line with a bad joke. So how is Poland any different from the UK in that aspect? Like the UK, we have freedom of speech now which allows these comedians to express themselves - is that a bad thing? Would you have rather all Polish comedians, writers and journalists were subject to very strict censorship like back in the communist days?"
There is freedom of speech in Poland today, unlike during the communist era.

He continued, "If you have an open and free society where people have the freedom of speech, then you must accept that a side effect of that is that people will say things and express opinions that you may not like or agree with. Such is the nature of democracy - so you may not like what I say, but you cannot silence or censor me just because you don't agree with me or if you feel offended by my opinion. You have the right to express yourself and respond to whatever I say then we have a debate where both sides of the stories are heard, both parties have their say and there may be no clear conclusion about who is in the right or wrong but that is the messy nature of democracy. Poland is a democratic country today and this is the process we go through all the time - so you cannot just protest about a TV programme being racist and offensive and demand that it has to be removed because you are offended by it, you have to deal with it through the democratic process because you have to respect the rights of the performers to express themselves and the rights of others who may wish to watch that programme."

"In any case, this is comedy. You have to understand, the context is different. If it was someone who shouted racist abuse at you when you were walking down the street, I would be the first person to call the police and get that racist arrested because that is not acceptable in Polish society and is downright illegal. This was a group of comedians trying to amuse and entertain - this is not a group of right wing skinheads trying to attack Asian or black people on the streets of Warsaw. Comedians and those in the arts are generally quite liberal and more left wing so even if they made a bad joke that didn't come across well, you shouldn't condemn them for being racist because there was no malicious intent to make an Asian person like you feel unwelcome or uncomfortable in Poland. You are reading too much into the comedy skit - there was no malice involved and this is simply a misunderstanding that has been blown out of proportion."
How much censorship should be apply to artistic expression?

Right, so just because the Polish comedians were not motivated by a hatred of Chinese people, this somehow excuses anything and everything they have done in the name of comedy? I didn't accept that - because with freedom of speech comes responsibility. Freedom of speech doesn't mean it is a free for all, where anyone can say anything in a consequence-free environment - but this young man seemed to conveniently ignore that part of the equation. He was very eloquent and had every excuse to put the blame on me for having jumped to the wrong conclusion about the skit, that it was all a "cultural misunderstanding" at the end of the day rather than an example of racism.

This disappointed me because if all you do is sweep the problem under the carpet and dismiss every complaint of racism as a "cultural misunderstanding", then that shows a complete unwillingness to even deal with the issue. The Polish people I spoke to were deeply embarrassed by even the suggestion that some Polish people could be racist and enjoy racist jokes on TV - yet their response seems to be complete and total denial. How is the situation in Poland supposed to ever improve then if this is their default response?
Was it all a cultural misunderstanding on my part?

This reminded me of an incident in my primary school days back in Singapore. There was a boy in my class - let's call him TJ and he was a very disruptive pupil. Whenever anyone disagreed with him or if he didn't get his way, he would physical strike out at the other person by hitting, slapping or pushing the other person. He would often make the girls in the class cry by pulling their long hair and the teacher was totally exasperated. In hindsight, I think TJ had been physically abused at home from a young age and that is why he was conditioned to respond to others like that.

One day after school, the form teacher waited for TJ's mother to come and pick him up. The teacher took TJ's mother aside to have a word with her - I was waiting for my mother to turn up so I witnessed the exchange between the teacher and TJ's mother. The teacher told TJ's mother about how TJ had been physically violent with other students and how other parents have been complaining about TJ's behaviour. What did TJ's mother do? She went into complete denial in the most polite and sweet manner. (Yes you can disagree with someone and still be totally polite about it.)
The form teacher didn't know what to do about TJ - he was so badly behaved.

"I totally understand how important it is for children to behave well! I have four children, TJ is the youngest and he has been brought up in a lively environment with three older siblings. My neighbour also has a big family and TJ gets along with his siblings and the neighbours' children just fine! They are playing together all the time and yes I know, boys will be boys and sometimes he can get a bit carried away, but that's just the way they play you know? It's not like he is trying to bully anyone or deliberately trying to make another child cry - but when he gets excited, sometimes he forgets how he should communicate with his peers, but he's just playing - there is no malice involved, he is just misunderstood.by some of his peers. I know that as a teacher, you have so many students to take care of in the class - but if you would just take the time to get to know TJ a bit better, I promise you that you will change your opinion about him and sometimes, all he needs is a bit more of your attention, do you understand?"

Even as a young child, I was not convinced by TJ's mother's performance - she was deeply embarrassed by the allegation that her child was disruptive and thus by that token, that she had been a bad parent who has not brought up her child properly. So instead, she turns the issue around by alleging that poor TJ is a child who was misunderstood by his peers and that the teacher had not been giving TJ enough attention. She tried hard to convince the teacher that it was not her failings as a mother that resulted in TJ's behavioral problems and it was all a misunderstanding. She tried her very best to sweep the issue under the carpet and given the way TJ's behaviour remained a big problem for the rest of the time he was in that school, his mother clearly was not prepared to solve the issue.
TJ's mother turned a blind eye to her son's behavioural problems.

Such is the power of denial - both TJ's mother and the young Polish man I spoke to were very embarrassed by the allegation that there was a problem that had to be dealt with. What is the point of TJ's mother acknowledging the importance of good behaviour in children or the young Polish man acknowledging how evil racism is, when neither of them are willing to do anything about the situation at hand and prefer to go into complete denial instead?

This is the face of modern racism in Europe. People like my parents believed that racism in Europe would take the form of blatant racist abuse, like Asian people being denied service in a hotel or restaurant or even verbal abuse being shouted at black people walking down the street. This may have happened back in the 1960s and 1970s but that kind of blatant abuse is almost unheard of these days - but the new kind of racism that has replaced it is this denial that it is happening and sweeping any evidence of racism under the carpet, dismissing it as no more than innocent "cultural misunderstandings". This new form of racism is clearly not motivated by malice, rather than an acute embarrassment and shame to have one's country/society associated with such a grave social taboo. Regardless of the absence of malice, this still means that seemingly sensible people who abhor racism (like this well educated young Polish man I spoke to) are totally unwilling to even acknowledge the problem, never mind do anything about it.
Many seemingly sensible Polish people are in denial about the issue of racism in Poland.

I would like to finish by telling you about a conversation I had with my friend Gareth - now Gareth is an Englishman with a Polish wife and they have been married for over 20 years. Gareth lives in London with his wife and children, he speaks Polish fluently now and visits Poland regularly with his family. I told him about the racist Polish TV programme, the attitudes I had encountered and he offered me the following explanation.

"It is not as bad as you think. If a Polish person were to point out that this programme in question was racist, then other Polish people would probably agree with him. However, you are a foreigner, you are British. Many Polish people are paranoid about people from the West looking down on them - it is a huge chip on their shoulders that they have had for a long time. They are so desperate to appear to be a modern European country like Germany, Sweden, Belgium and the UK - they are very afraid of British people like us associating Poland with the bad old days of communism."
That's me in a snowy street in Warsaw.

"That is why they went on the defensive when you bought up the issue of racism and went into total denial - it is something I have encountered many, many times whenever I mentioned anything vaguely critical about Poland. Polish people still default to treating me as if I know absolutely nothing about Poland despite the fact that my wife is Polish and I speak Polish fluently; they are so desperate to sell me this image of how everything in Poland is great and fantastic, that Poland is perfect and wonderful. You have to understand that this 'denial' is motivated by insecurity at the end of the day, rather than dishonesty. Sure they are aware of problems like racism in Poland - they just prefer not to discuss it with someone like you. I'm not at all surprised you encountered something like that on Polish TV - the amount of homophobic, sexist and racist instances I've encountered over the years in Poland is just unreal."

Warsaw may have been a great destination for a long weekend break (and yes, I will probably go back one day and visit Krakow and Zakapone in Southern Poland), but I wouldn't like to live there given their attitudes on the issues of racism and homophobia. I am disappointed to say there least, but please, let me assure you that as a tourist, you're extremely unlikely to encounter any kind of racism whilst you're in Poland - it was only me digging so deep that has led me to uncover this frustrating situation and that is why I am sharing my experiences on my blog.
That's me in Wilanow, south of Warsaw/

So there you go. That's it from me on this issue - what do you think of the situation? Do you also have problems with racism where you live? Are people in your country in denial about racism? How can we as a society respond to this in a more constructive way? Please leave a comment below, thank you for reading.


16 comments:

  1. Hi LIFT, it may be also be because they (the Poles) were "accused" of being racists by a foreigner, which could bruise their egos even more. Sometimes it takes someone from within the group (ie., Polish) to tell others they are racist and for them to accept it. Anyways, Poland only emerged into the free world 2 decades ago - it has a long way to catch up. At least active, public promotion of racism (as in the case of the Polish radio DJ) wasn't tolerated recently in Poland. For the innate, passive types of racism, I'm afraid that will take a much longer time (perhaps forever) to eradicate.
    We all know in homogenous societies (be it China, Japan or else where, incl. SG) you can get people with racist views. I live in the US, and I can say a lot of the racism (in mild forms, as it's no longer politically correct to even demonstrate racism in the business world or education field)) comes from plain ignorance of another culture or race, and tendency to stereotype other people whom one is not familiar with.

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    1. Hi el28, I guess there's an element of me imposing my standards on them because if a Polish person wanted to talk about problems in the UK (I am a British citizen) or Singapore (where I grew up), I would be like yeah sure let's talk about it - in fact I blog about it all the time! I would never get defensive the way they did because I'm not paranoid about people from other countries looking down on the UK or Singapore by that token.

      You see, I have seen this kind of behaviour before but I just don't understand why people take a criticism of their country so personally - like when I say there's racism in Polish society, it's not like me saying to a Polish person, "you're a racist." Yet they get defensive and react as if I have accused them personally of being a racist - which wasn't the case at all.

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    2. Perhaps its due to an innate need not to be associated with undesirable people? For example as a Singaporean Chinese I won't like other people thinking that I'm from China. China has a rather bad reputation of just about anything actually, so I feel that If people think I'm from China then they will automatically think that I'm someone who spits in public or something like that, which I'm really afraid of. So perhaps that polish person would be afraid of 'inheriting' the racism from his countrymen and therefore get on the defensive.

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    3. Yes there could be an element of that as well, I can totally related to what you have just described about being associated with China. I do tend to avoid the term 'Chinese' to describe myself and when people do ask I'll say I'm from Singapore, rather than use the term 'Chinese'.

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  2. Hi LIFT,

    Wow, that was really insightful. But you know what? I find the situation in Poland so similar to where I live now, in Japan. Homogeneous population, subtle racism, etc. Until a few years ago, I've heard of stories of foreigners (white people) being denied service in cafes and restaurants just because the staff wasn't able to speak English. Or being stared at in trains and public places because white people stand out a lot in a sea of Japanese faces. But currently, there are more white people in Japan, and the TV stations keep churning out programs that introduce foreign culture (whether they are accurate or not is another issue), and there are increasingly a lot of celebrities in Japan who were born outside of Japan, so things have improved a little bit now.

    This has got nothing to do with your post, but what I find frustrating is that people stare at me when I speak English. The Japanese assume that if you look Asian, then you must be Japanese, and that equals to no English! I was hanging out in town with my Swede friend once, and of course we spoke in English, so this old man came up to me and praised me for my good English and being able to be friends with a white person! How silly is that! A lot of Japanese think that they know foreign culture because of the TV programs, but they most probably have not even a single friend or acquaintance who's non-Japanese, so when I meet an ignorant Japanese, I find that I have to undo a lot of damage done to their understanding of the world by the TV! But I guess this is what you'll get in a country that is largely homogeneous!

    And I find that in Japan, especially, the concept of racism - or any form of human rights, for that matter - is almost non-existent, and while they many not harbour malicious intent, they may slip-up and make offensive racist, sexist, and homophobic remarks on social media and even on national TV sometimes! I've read some articles that some grown men even think that there are no gays in Japan. Like seriously?! It's gotta be a joke.

    It's amazing that the Polish can keep their cool when being criticised, even though they are mostly being in denial. Singaporean netizens should learn a thing or two from their Polish counterparts! But if I were the Polish young man, I would rather search for the TV program that you have mentioned and see for myself if it was really racist, than go about writing a long piece justifying something that I have no knowledge about.

    Amber

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    1. Well Amber, that Polish young man I dealt with somehow felt personally responsible for defending the good name of Poland to a foreigner (ie. me) and thus he went into denial overdrive. So it was not about racism, it was about him feeling insecure about a foreigner (ie. me) being critical of his country and culture.

      But yeah I can totally see that happening in Japan - it is another homogeneous country.

      PS. As for gays in Japan, there is just soooooo much gay porn coming out of Japan - it is Asia's biggest producer of gay porn by a long way. LOL :)

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  3. Hello, I'm Polish and I think that people in my country are not racist. Of course, there are some uneducated people that hate everything that is different. Actually, now many people hate the most... muslims. We have in TV almost everyday news about terrorist attacks in western Europe and USA and people are afraid of them and don't want them to immigrate to Poland. On the other hand - did You know that we have 2 black people in the parliament (sejm)?
    Also there are many famous celebrities in Poland that are Black or Asian - check Aleksandra Szwed, orBilguun Ariunbaatar,

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    1. Hi and thanks for your message - wesolych swiat bozego narodzenia!

      I am glad you've read my piece, I am not saying that Polish people are openly racist, I did say that all the Polish people I have met and spoke to overwhelmingly condemn racism and they all tell me that racism is not a part of modern Polish society - so that's a good start, that's something we can all agree on. What I have identified is a different problem: that of Polish people being so defensive and insecure to the point where they are unable/unwilling to engage in any kind of discussion on the topic of racism in Poland. The only response I got when trying to discuss the issue with Polish people was, "you're mistaken, you've misunderstood, you're jumping to the wrong conclusions, you're wrong - there is no racism in Poland, it simply does not exist, Poland is wonderful and perfect, how dare you insult Poland by suggesting that there is anything wrong in Poland." It's extremely frustrating when Polish people just go into denial mode rather than relax and talk about the issue.

      This is actually not a uniquely Polish situation, I have encountered many people from a lot of countries who instantly become super defensive and go into denial mode when I try to criticize their country.

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  4. Hi LIFT!

    I can't speak much about most of Poles but I can tell you something about that Chinese monks satire on TV. Please, do not be offended by it. Poland is a country of free speech and we just love to make fun out of everything. If you'd watch that TV show longer, there would probably be some satire on Polish people with even harsher comments and humor. We make a lot of fun out of ourselves and similarly, we make a lot of fun out of other nations. No racism attached, though.

    By the way, I find your blog pretty interesting!

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    1. Hi there. Cześć. Whilst I am sure you're definitely not a racist, this is when I have to point out to you that you're going into denial mode.

      You must avoid the error of seeing everything from your perspective. Let me explain - you're white and you're Polish, when you see that Chinese monks satire on Polish TV, how you feel and how you experience that is quite different from a Chinese person like myself. You may think, I'm not offended, but then again, you're not Chinese - so I think you're failing to see things from my perspective.

      I remember earlier this year, a German colleague of mine made a really rude, offensive, racist joke - she made fun of the way I spoke Chinese and I got really angry. She failed to see why I got angry and it had to be explained to her that whilst she is not offended by the nature of the content of the joke (because she is German and white), I felt extremely upset by it because she was making fun of me. If I really wanted to be cruel and make her understand her it felt to be made fun of, I could have easily turned around and made fun of the fact that she was FAT. Oh yeah, I could have gone to town with rude jokes about just how overweight she was - and if she started crying or getting upset, I could turn around and say, "oh but I am thin, so I don't find jokes about FAT people offensive, so it is okay for me to make fun of fat people, including making my fat colleague cry."

      Do you see how you have made that mistake of only seeing things from your point of view, rather than my point of view? Our perspectives of the world are very different, our experiences of the world are very different because we are very different people from different parts of the world. If you are only able to see this issue from your perspective and you insist on ignoring my perspective, then I say, you're making a grave mistake by imagining that the world revolves around you and that anyone else's opinion or perspective is not valid.

      Sorry if I sounded harsh but I had to make a point because you're refusing to see things from my point of view. It doesn't matter whether or not those Polish comedians had any blatant racist intentions, the fact remains that I was offended and upset by what I saw. So they have crossed the line and did something wrong - and you're also doing something very wrong by ignoring my point of view.

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  5. Hi,

    I am Polish, and I think you've got some good point there. Many Polish people have little or no sensitivity for this "subtle racism" issue. Most of them won't get what's wrong about a TV program which to a person grown up in an Anglo-Saxon media culture, such as yourself, will appear strikingly racist.

    I don't think the comedian's intention was to offend anybody, they probably just were unaware that somebody might find it offensive. That in my opinion is also the reason for the racism denial among Polish people which you have encountered.

    It appears to me that for you the term "racism" embraces both direct racism and this subtle, covered form of it, whereas most Polish people don't recognize the latter and associate "racism" only with directly insulting or assaulting people of different racial origin, which in fact happens no more often in Poland than in any European country.

    The reason for this lack of sensitivity for subtle racism and microagressions in the Polish society is the fact, that the public debate on these issues lags some 30-40 years behind Western Europe. Countries like Great Britain, Belgium or France went through a thorough deliberation on what is and what is not racist during the de-colonisation period in 1960-70's. Poland back then was neither a colonial empire having to deal with a history of atrocities to people of different races, nor a free country where such an open discourse was possible. The communist propaganda depicted racism as a problem which applies only to western imperialists, and certainly not to the egalitarian communist society. The emigration and opposition circles on the other hand had different issues on the agenda back then, such as convincing the western public opinion that such thing as soviet gulags actually existed (!).

    As a result, the western standards of handling racial problems in the media have only been introduced here some 20 years ago, and still are not seen as an important problem, probably due to the fact that we don't have any large non-white minorities outside big cities like Warsaw (those who are already present are not yet so deeply settled in to have enough confidence to stand up for themselves in such issues).

    Other problem is that the western "political correctness" appears in Polish discourse only in the context of its level of absurd and exaggeration to which it has come in certain western countries. For this reason most Poles see the idea as something ridiculous and not applicable in Polish environment.

    However, I believe it is pretty safe to be optimistic on that matter. The Polish society changes very dynamically as more and more Poles go abroad and get a broader view of things. I am sure that in the near future there will be much more understanding in Poland for such problems as the one you've described.

    Finally, I hope that you enjoyed your stay in Poland nevertheless. Please feel welcome to visit my country again in the future. I hope your impression of my country will be better the next time you come.

    Greetings form Warsaw!

    PS. If you are still interested in writing a complaint to the Polish TV or media, I will be most happy to help with translation. I am curious myself what the response will be.

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    1. Cześć Karol and thanks so much for your comment. I am so glad you have taken the time to write such a long and thoughtful comment and have offered your insight into the issue.

      I'd like to think that what my friend Gareth (the English guy with a Polish wife) said is true: ie. if someone like you raises the issue with your Polish friends in the absence of a foreigner, they would agree with the points you have raised above. It is only in the presence of a foreigner like me that they get defensive.

      Yes I will return one day to go to Krakow, Auschwitz and Zakapone in the south (it's been on the agenda for a while to do that trip - I just have to find the time).

      As for the complaint, I am not prepared to do it I'm sorry. I am just so cynical about Poland and the stance they take on racism - I can just imagine getting a very polite reply from the TV station telling me that I have misunderstood the programme because I am not fluent in Polish, I am not familiar with Polish culture and that it is all a cultural misunderstanding. You're one of the very, very few Polish people who would actually acknowledge that there is a problem with "political correctness" in Polish media. My point is simple: playing the "I did not intend to offend" card does not get you off the hook. Think about it - if a driver was speeding and hits a pedestrian on the streets of Warsaw and kills the pedestrian, can the driver go to court and say, "your honour, it was an accident. I did not intend to hurt or kill the pedestrian, I didn't even see her before I hit her and the next thing I knew she's dead. So please let me go, I may have been driving a bit too fast but I am innocent of any malicious intentions." Would a court in Warsaw allow this driver to go unpunished?

      So many Polish people keep telling me the same thing: those comedians have nothing against you as a Chinese person, they are not racist, they don't hate you - but my point is simple: they still came up with something highly offensive to me which caused me a great deal of discomfort whilst I was in Poland, so aren't they just as guilty at the end of the day? Regardless of whether or not malicious intention was present, the result is still the same. The lack of malicious intent does not render you innocent when the crime is still committed at the end of the day (it would only perhaps result in a lighter sentence in a court of law).

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  6. Okay, good, I was hoping this wasn't posted so long ago! Otherwise, this would be awkward for me. As being Polish myself, & going to Poland this upcoming Saturday, I can tell you that I know how racist Polish people are. And I'll admit it. I've told my family and a bunch of people who are Polish and non-Polish my views, I don't care. They have to know.

    My dad not really racist, even though he was born and raised there--his family is quite mixed. I have a half black cousin, some Asian roots, some more European roots etc. He was raised in the city, and he's actually a lot more open-minded than my mom. He came here, to the states first, and attended a community college, before my mom came to join him about 2 years later... I think?

    But my mom was raised on a farm, that family and her upbringing--really old school. && for a LONG time I wasn't proud to be Polish, which is odd because I got to this post from looking at the response to the Divian and Dee Kosh's response to Stephanie Koh's I'm not proud to be Singaporean post. Which I got there, by searching "limpeh" in google to see what it was and you just happened to come up. I should be asleep right now, but oh well.

    Everything happens for a reason, right?

    But it took years for me to break my mother's hold on racism, and a bit on sexism. I told my parents for years that I was going to end up with an Asian guy, they fought for a Polish guy even tried to set me up with one for a while. But I think it finally clicked when I started bringing around Asian guys or my Chinese/Japanese language classes.

    But recently, I had my hair done at a Polish hair salon, I also live in a Polish neighborhood. And I don't trust many people with my hair, but I trust this one chick and she does an amazing job!

    My recent ex of 2&1/2 years is half Viet & half Teochew Chinese, if that makes sense, but one customer there and my hair dresser went off on me for dating outside my race. I asked, "Well why not? I'm not racist. It's about the person." And the customer wants to go on and on about you can be friends with them, but ethnicity shouldn't mix, the culture is too different, my kids won't look like me (but technically all Polish people say I don't look Polish at all, my dads friends all point out I look like I'm Asian or mixed with Asian. White people don't think I look white, but majority of Asians think I look Asian. I guess I got the most recessive genes?) & all this stupid crap. I was going to stand up for myself, but my mom did it first because this customer really thought she's like God or something. Bragging about her life and thinking she's always right, and she always changes someone's life. For me, she just repelled me.

    My mom told them, it shouldn't matter who I end up with as long as he's a good guy, well-rounded, is stable, makes money, treats me right, and makes me happy.

    Majority of kids these days don't care much about culture or traditions, I'm semi-fluent in Japanese. I'm learning Chinese, and I want to learn Vietnamese, Korean, Thai, and whatever else. I want to end up in Singapore somehow and see these other Asian countries. So I don't think it's a problem for me. My parents don't have a problem with it anymore, my family that lives in the states they're very open-minded.

    My family that lives in Poland, not so much. I got crap from them about a year ago when they came onto Facebook. I went off on them like, "What is your problem?" Whenever I come to Poland people act like I'm a celebrity. I lose my name and get tagged with "Amerikanka" or American Girl. But seriously, I told them if they wanted to something to talk about they should watch some of their television shows.

    I know how racist Polish people are I've grown up with it. Poland has so many controversial topics it's sad.

    I feel like I wrote an essay. I'm hungry now, it's 4am. I got work in the morning.

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  7. Hey there. I am a Polish living in the UK.
    I am just visiting home and I have noticed this commercial on the Polish TV:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGeHfZP5Cc
    I think this is exactly what you were trying to describe. I can't imagine such commercial being played in the UK or US (though I haven't been there), but it's not really racist, it's just a "funny" portrayal of Asians, in this particular commercial - the Japanese ;) Although I'm sure they're played by Chinese as we see no difference whatsoever xD (Although you may find this commercial racist just by including the typical Asian onomatopoeia)

    There are more and more Asians in public TV here! There's Natalia Nguyen, she is the judge in one of the shows here about design. Here's a really nice spot - promoting a polish TV station - but it's includes her and I think it's a good portrayal of Poland's scenery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpvYTy1U_o

    You should have visited Poland in summer :) It's just so much nicier... I can't recommend Poland in winter, unless you are really into winter ;] Are you planning on visiting us again?


    Regards!

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    1. Thanks for your comment. Yeah I think that commercial was quite crass and it wouldn't see the light of day in the UK or US. I may write more later, I have to dash for work now. Cheers and thanks again.

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